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India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 26, 2005 5:25 PM
 
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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 12:38 AM
 
Trash at its best.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 1:13 AM
 
India really needs help of US and other countries for safety of its Nuclear establishments. Their designs, based on Russian technology mainly, are flawed and can have a major accident any time. Pakistan's indigenous state of the art establishments are technologically far better than many so called advanced countries. World should speak with one voice to force India to open its nuclear projects to international regulatory authorities, otherwise large number of people in subcontinent are living at a very high risk. With the current wave of friendship, Pakistan can offer great help to India to improve safety measures of their nuclear projects.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 1:56 AM
 
Transparency and accountability are the absolute preconditions to safeguard public interests when handling the inherently dangerous technology. There can be no place for secretiveness, and the mediocrity, nepotism, and corruption that it breeds, in a nuclear establishment.

Agreed on this point. However openning up our nuclear establishment to `international' experts essentially means US experts. As a citizen of India, I would never support any such thing, unless it is done for any unimportant nuclear centre.

Transparency & Accountability is very different to bowing down under US pressures. I think that these two issues have to be separated.

1st issue is for safety & security of nuclear establishments,
2nd issue is of international (essentially US & UK) politics.

Somewhere down the line Swaminathan's article should be clear on these two separate aspects. May be he should do more research before posting such articles.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 2:47 AM
 
Dear Dilber,

I thought the Chasma nuke power plant was set up with chinese help. Recently an MOU was signed to set up Chasma-2 also with Chinese help. Not just technology, China is even providing the money to Pak to set up the plant.

I think pak help to india in nuke technology given the worlds-best-state-of-the art indeginous technology is a remarkable idea and you should urge the Pak government to make this offer to India as soon as possible. This would also enhance the view that pakistan is an enlightened - moderate country with lots of 400 per cent better educated professionals.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 3:02 AM
 
Gupta Ji,

Pakistan and China are good friends, and have many other joint projects besides Chashma. We share our knowledge and therefore our designs are state of the art. India desperately needs a good friend (Remember Israel cannot be a good friend of India, and recent friendship of the two is just based on enimity of Muslims). Right now there is no friend of India in the world, and their move for UNSC could not get even a single serious suporter. Others in G-4 also had to face embarrassment due to Indians, and now very soon G-4 will reduce to G-3 or four G-1's. My earlier proposal of dividing India into 10 or so smaller countries should be considered. We should hope that at least one of those smaller countries would be good friend of Dehli.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 3:21 AM
 
Pakistan and China are good friends, and have many other joint projects besides Chashma. We share our knowledge and therefore our designs are state of the art.

Dear Dilber, it is wonderful to know that pakistan has good friends. It is also illuminating to learn that the easiest way to have state-of-the-art technology is - to make friends. Silly us - we thought it was research and education :)

India desperately needs a good friend

why?

Others in G-4 also had to face embarrassment due to Indians, and now very soon G-4 will reduce to G-3 or four G-1's. My earlier proposal of dividing India into 10 or so smaller countries should be considered.


Why are we changing the subject? What I am simply urging you to do is urge the pakistani govt to share it's state of the art indeginous nuke technology with India. As a precursor perhaps you could provide us with links showing us how advanced pak nuke technology is. It would also serve the dual purpose of proving that Mr. Hoodboy is a liar when he talks about the state of higher education in pakistan.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 3:24 AM
 
Arnab,

Because of such friendly offers 'indegenous' high quality nuke technology, Pak is on verge of losing its own nukes. Judging by the way jarnail is harping about retaining the deterrent, it is likely that they may already have lost them.

The problem with Dilber Khan's nuke tech offer is that it comes with a free side-dish of Jihad ! :)

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 3:43 AM
 
Gupta Ji, just making friends does not teach you technology, it is "joint projects" and "sharing knowledge" that lead to higher technology. If you read full sentences, chances are high that you will not get confused.

Be sure, Pak technology is very advanced. Links are neither available nor provided for such classified things, except to good friends like China (India has yet to prove sincerity. Demands are very simple: 1. demolish baglihar 2. quit Kashmir 3. cut your army budget and preferably disintegrate to at least 10 countries). I hope (and I urge Pak Govt at your request) Pakistan will help India if formal request is made, and some progress is made in above-mentioned areas.

Prof Hoodboy got very satisfactory replies from HEC, and state of higher education in Pakistan is in excellent condition.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 4:02 AM
 
Pakistan's technology advanced or not advanced . we know one fact. The 'peacefull Budha' that India made was done after stealing Plutonium from Canada designed reactor at Tarapur. the whole world knows this. so what . this has been done by all nations. US inculded. They stole engineers (Von Braun was one of them ) from Germany.

we also witnessed , Khurana and Advani coming to the Pakistani border after Pokhran, threatining Pakistan and boasting of proactive strikes inside Pakistan. Singh did the same thing in washington, bad mouthing pakistan just minutes AFter he got a deal with US. And we also saw how quickly indian baloons deflate on may 28 after Pakistan's tests. Some rabid pakistanis went so far as saying that
Vajpayee Jee soiled his clothes after witnessing the pakistani explosions.

Indians love inflating themsleves. No point talking with incoherent, unreasonable , rabidly nationalistic people.

mohamed
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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 4:05 AM
 
it is "joint projects" and "sharing knowledge" that lead to higher technology.

Indeed, unfortunately some uncharitable people might suggest that they do not know what is pakistan's share in that 'joint' bit. Afterall the JF-17 Thunder aircraft is touted by Pak as a 'joint' project, but if you go to the Chengdu Aircraft factory website - you will find that it says: made by chengdu for PAF.

In order to silence such un called for criticisms about the advanced-state-of pak-nuke technology, perhaps you could provide us with links to some state-of-the art work being done by Pak.

Similarly "sharing knowledge" is very nice - but considering everything in pakistan is 'classified', the critics would be really interested to know the direction of 'sharing' :) A quick visit to the PAEC website tells us that pak is the largest recipient of 'technical aid' from IAEA. Pak is being taught how to irradiate fruits and veg by IAEA.
Similarly the Karachi Nuke plant barely has a capacity of 137 MW, whereas even India with it's low level of technology and 15 nuke plants - has 500MW reactors.

Now we would really appreciate some state-of-the-art technological help from Pak. Perhaps you could urge the pak govt. to reveal it's offer?

Be sure, Pak technology is very advanced. Links are neither available nor provided for such classified things, except to good friends like China (India has yet to prove sincerity. Demands are very simple: 1. demolish baglihar 2. quit Kashmir 3. cut your army budget and preferably disintegrate to at least 10 countries). I hope (and I urge Pak Govt at your request) Pakistan will help India if formal request is made, and some progress is made in above-mentioned areas.


But why link critical technology to such political issues? afterall radiation does not know borders (as a wise man once said). I don't think pakistan should wait for India's request - she should go ahead and make the help offer along with some glimpses of how advanced pak nuke technology is. That would make the Indians really sit up !!

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 4:19 AM
 
And who is going to force India to force open its nuclear facilities???

Pakistan, China (the two biggest proliferators) - no don't think so. It is a poor article, lacks clarity of vision and thought.

India is living in a very precarious neighbourhood, surrounded by dictator clad countries, and these rulers cannot be trusted.

One language these dictators - past, present and the future dictators - understand is that violence on their part will not be tolerated by India. Kargil - the latest in a long list of viiolent activities proves that India can take the best laid plan of the opposition and still come out on top, quite easily.

It is irrelevant as to who has the safest design, more killing power and the rest. Nuclear weapons - however unsophisticated destroy on a huge scale and leave radiation around for a long time.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 4:23 AM
 
Gupta Jee

India is ten times larger in land mass, economy and
population.

So everything it has shoiuld be 10 times larger than
pakistan. If it has only 500MW compared with your
declared 137MW for pakl, then it is far below what
India should have.

Does this tell you something or would you still go on
with your illogical and irrationalarguments.

Mohamed
saudi Arabia.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 4:28 AM
 
Gupta Ji, you are wasting time in side issues. Forget about China-Pak relations, and share of each in joint ventures. DOSTON MEIN HISAB KITAB NAHEEN HOTA. Just ask your government to file a formal request to Pakistan for help. AAM KHAO PER MAT GINO. Why licking US boots for help when your neighbour is there for you? Subcontinent KI IZZAT (IJJAT in slang version, i.e. Hindi) KA HI KHAYAL KARO.

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Re: India Should be Forced to Open Up its Nuclear Installations Posted: Jul 27, 2005 4:39 AM
 
Hey guys,
Lets do this. Nuke tech is not one of the greatest in the world. Every country big or small has either proliferated or stolen the tech or the engineers.
Otherwise, US/USSR/China/... would not have gotten to it.

Pakistan got a distinction to make this an islmaic bomb.
Remeber pakistan as an itch to make everything islamic.

The only difference India and pakistan has is, pakistan boasted its engineers including the so called father of pakistan bomb. Whereas india kept them away from limelight.
To this day, Father of islamic bomb is in limelight. Good work.
Now, how can our pakistani brothers can claim that pakistan has got great nuke technology?
They don't even have funds to have a backup cable for their internet connectivity. How come they got Billions of dollars to out together a master peice?

While this debate can go on for ever on pakistan's indigenious nuke tech, i will spend little time on the need for india to match that state of the art pakistans tech.

For your kind information, india need not pour money into nuke tech. We are great with our conventional capacity. We are doing good with our missiles and space tech. Remember, there won't be any real wars hereafter. Wars are won on the basis of economy and technological innovation in all fields and good economy.
Already china and india or in cold war in those areas.
Pakistan can also join the club, being an asian. But can elightened moderate pakistani public will allow this?
They know no way, other than what is in Quran or for that matter mullahs diktats.

Good luck.
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