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Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 26, 2005 3:55 PM
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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 26, 2005 4:35 PM
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A lot of BS.

The nuclear power plants are licensed for forty years of life span. Tarapore plants are no different.

The plants in US that have either completed forty years are nearing forty years are given or being given life extension of additional twenty-five years.

Hydrogen gas explosion is not a serious concern either. GE plants are BWR (boiling water reactors). Steam is produced in the reactor and travels directly to the turbine that turns the generator to produce electricity. It is open loop system. These is no element in the system were hydrogen gas will accumulate.

Concern is metals absorve H2 gas & become brittle over period of time. However safe guards are built in even in the very old designs such as Tarapore.

I have just browsed the article but I'll come back to it later.

BWRs are a lot safer than PWR (pressurized Water Reactor).

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 26, 2005 7:26 PM
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it was the Mother of all folliest to divert the civilian nuclear program to military use -- the history will never forgive Indra Gandhi despite her many accomlishments for starting the Nuclear Race on the impoverished unsafe subcontinent -- and Mr. Vajpayee in 1998 for exploding the goddamn thing....

it was totally out of the culture of India of those day to change its nuclear image from a civilized country like Canada to a garrison state like Israel -- despite not surrounded by any sworn enemies......

there is still time for both passive/aggressive India and Pakistan to sign NPT and wash their hands of nuclear enegy for military purposes and go for its peaceful civilian use.....with all the stringent safety measure...

this is a very well written thoughtful knowledgeable article -- its an eye opener -- the subcontinent just missed by a hair breadth a subcontinental Chernobyl.....!

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 26, 2005 8:18 PM
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Respected Mr. Nasah,

I have news for you, Indian nuclear program was never meant to be for only civilian usage. 90% of it was devouted to military applications.

Gill

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 26, 2005 10:01 PM
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"90% of it was devouted to military applications."

well my friend Jack -- what can I say -- you've every right to be throughly ashamed of it as a Gandhian Indian....

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 26, 2005 10:57 PM
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Mr. Nasah,

No. I do not consider it as negative aspect for my nation or its development. Though I do wish conditions were such that there was no need for military applications. As they say the world is not full of Mahatma Gandhis, and neither are Indians all Gandhis. We are just like any other "ians" of this world.

One question Mr. Nasah, why does it always fall on India's head about non-violence, peace etc? Are we the bearers for these aspirations? Why is it that we only we Indians have to abide them? I wonder what would have been said if Gandhi was born someplace else?

Gill

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 27, 2005 12:02 AM
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Nuclear Scientist and technical establishments world over are known to sell secrets. The Germans went to USA,Americains sold to KGB and Israel while Israel passed it to South Africa. Take our very own AQ Affair.Purely on probability, sooner or later something will emerge.
There is no doubt India wants to master the Fast Breeders using the thorium route. If it happens, there will be a disaster because India has the worlds's biggest reservoirs of this fissile material. This will be a new twist to proliferation.

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 27, 2005 12:19 AM
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"I wonder what would have been said if Gandhi was born someplace else?"

then India would have been called NOT a beloved ahimsavadi Hindustan -- but a hated himsavadi Rakhshastan -- ruled by a Rakhshas named......ghoulish godse.....

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 27, 2005 1:16 AM
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I appeciate Indian Scientists and political leaders who are committed to build more and more powerful WMDs beside developing CBMs. But it will take a very long time to become a superpower like USSR. But our Indian neighbours should keep in mind that they should respect their pople, build good relations with neghbours, promote social justice, cage Moodi type people, Listen Kashmiri leaders, respect human rights and United nation resolutions. Like a big brother, India should promote peace with SAARC contries and sacrify.

OTHEER-WISE USSR HAD BEEN BROKEN INTO COUNTLESS PIECES BY THE IGNORANT, UNARMED AFGHAN MUJAHIDEEN CREATED BY USA AND NOW DECLARED AS TERRORIST BY THE USA AFTER FALL OF USSR. I ABSOLUTLY NOT WISH RATHER FEAR THAT SOME POWER MAY PROMOTE TAMIL, SIKH, MUSLIM OR CHRISTIAN FACTIONS ON USSR PATTERN. Two prime ministers have already been murdered by Tamils and Sikhs. Attacks on muslims in Gujat and mass killing of christians and attacks on church dont depict an internal stability. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I AM PRONOTING PAKISTAN,WE HAVE ALREADY BROKEN PAKISTAN INTO TWO PIECES BY VIRTUE OF OUR CIVIL AND MILITERY BURAECRACY WHO PLAYD A MASTER`S ROLE IN EAST PAKISTAN.

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Basic etiquettes of reporting and journalism Posted: Jun 27, 2005 2:37 AM
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Dear Editor,

I have been following several forums on SAT and quite frankly have been impressed by the discipline enforced to avoid personal cross fires and deviations from topic.

However I was disappointed with the quality of this article on account of its tone. I have no problem with the fact that author has concerns about the safety of Indian nuclear program. In fact such objections are required to strengthen the system by pointing out weaknesses and potential pitfalls.

However I did not really like the tone of the article as it is somehwhat condescending in attitude and pre-assumes conclusion even before presenting the evidence.

Here are some examples that stand out to me as complete disregard to etiquettes on part of the author.


The misplaced patriotism of thoroughly brainwashed semiliterates....

The above stament is a highly biased and emotional conclusion and is devoid of objectivity which should be the focus of media reporting.

Behind the blunderous compromise are nepotism and currying favors to chosen vendors that are rampant in the establishment.

No evidence presented and I think that there is certain amount of subjectivity involved in any decision making.


When this is the extent of cover up that spineless scientists can indulge in for the sake of shielding bandicoots, can the world rest assured about the safety and quality aspects of the technologically advanced colossal program, where any mishaps could have catastrophic consequences transcending national borders?

If author is concerned about safety of nuclear program then there should be some tangible evidence like radiation leakage, dumping of nuclear waste, pollution of natural resources like water, undue exposure of people working in these plants. If there is a disaster in waiting then in al likelihood there ought to be sympotms that point in the same direction.

As I said earlier, in a democratic set up it is alrigh to disagree with present system but there are norms for presenting your view. It is repsonsibility of SAT to demand that authors present their view point with evidence or state their assumptions clearly in absence of evidence.

Overall barring few heated discussion, SAT is doing a good job of discussing topics that were extremely sensitive in nature.

Good luck!

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lur Posted: Jun 27, 2005 3:29 AM
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Lot of English language (adjectives & verbs) used to describe things that could have been described in one sentence. Though I am not a very knowledgable person on this issue, the only sensible statement I saw was:

"...Stalling incorporation of essential safety upgradations could turn out potentially calamitous not only for Tamilnadu but the whole Indian Ocean region...

I will not be surprised in this aspect, especially after the Bhopal disaster. Any expert comments in this forum?

But the whole article is either misplaced version or alarmistic in nature.

He also writes:-
"..Nuclear Mafia in India..."
What was that?? Was that part of the article written for (Dr.) AQ Khan, which has been put in this article by mistake?

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lur Posted: Jun 27, 2005 3:36 AM
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#9 Ellen Bobi

Hello & Good morning!

There is no nuclear mafia in India.

Narendra Modi is a politican not related to nuclear programmes of India. Whole of India has been shocked about voilent backlash in Gujrat.

I was wondering why did you leave out the Sabarmati Train episode where innocent Hindus were burnt alive by a muslim mob? Also wondering who the Kashmiri separatists (called leadres now) will listen to vis-a-vis Hindus in Kashmir! Any comments from your side?

Regards
SC Gupta

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lur Posted: Jun 27, 2005 3:57 AM
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The author appears to be more interesed in venting out his personal grudges than to be informative.

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lur Posted: Jun 27, 2005 4:33 AM
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#2 Narinder Dogra

Your post is great! Wating for you to elaborate & add to it.

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Re: Indian Nuclear Mafia Needs an Urgent, Ruthless Purge as Catastrophe Lurks Posted: Jun 27, 2005 7:48 AM
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The author in question of this article is not into the nuclear know in India. I am wondering where he gets his info from. Anyway, if an ordinary person in India can be in the know of things relating to this issue, and is considered credible, more the better.

Nuclear Mafia? Strange wording.

Mr. Nasah,

Thank you for your reply, you are a man of few words, but the conviction they carry is tremendous.

Gill

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