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US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 16, 2005 5:54 PM
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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 5:07 AM
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A Dignified EXIT ? Would it be possible for general
musharraf in this Revolutionary TRANSIT Period of
Information Technology and Globalisation for the Interest
of International Powers , to get a Dignified EXIT ?

International community will make use of this Time-period
and will try to put an example to make an END of Army
POWER for ever in Pakistan to give a free flow to
GLOBALISATION by BRINGING NOT ONLY GENERAL MUSHARRAF but
also TOP Army Generals of General Musharraf to OPEN
JUSTICE .

General musharraf & HIS TOP ARMY GENERALS with their
MILLIONS of $ in the foreign BANKS will be left exactly
as the SHAH OF PERSIA , NO ONE WAS WILLING TO GIVE HIM
THE SHELTER .

THIS OPEN PUBLIC COURT JUSTICE will be an example for
ALL THE FUTURE GENERALS & Future Politicins ; for
Generals not o interefere with POLITICS and for
Politicians , NOT TO LOOT the Public MOney & Not to
Run the Country as their own COMPANY.

Pakistan NEED it , GLOBALISATION need it .
PAKISTAN IS THE ENTRANCE TO CENTRAL ASIAN COUNTRIES
without stable Pakistan , Pakistan can not SERVE as
TRANSIT COUNTRY to these Central asian countries .

After this open public prosecution of GENERALS , Pakistan
& people of PAKISTAN will enter into a New process of
DEMOCRACY which will allow MIDDLE CLASS politicians to
come in and with the repeated open public prosecution of
old & new politicians for couple of decades , Pakistan
may get a certain GENERATION of politicians like in the
WEST .

Let us HOPE for STABLE & prosperous PAKISTAN .

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Sohail Qureshi
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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 5:14 AM
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Shujhat if acting against some of the Musharraf policies, should not be translated as a threat to Musharraf, as Musharraf is not only heading the Army but also the whole country, and at present being the so called democratic process, it is a good sign that someone who so ever he is, at least there to challenge and change the decisions of Musharraf. The key issues as hinted by the writer involving shujhat role to change their directions were certainly handeled in good way by Shujhat, avoiding any big conflict in the Pakistani Society, thus I do not see any problem in it, and it should not be a embrassing situation of Musharraf as it is a political process going on in Pakistan.

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 1:23 PM
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Post#4
Mr. Qureshi, what makes you think that there is a political system or any sort of system in place in Pak?
No doubt, being a resident of pindi you only have access to GHQ and its portrayal of a green pic. of pak.
Open your eyes; you call this blunder a political system, a govt. of pak. servant grabbing presidency? Do you have any constitution? do you have any judiciary?
Oh yes, there is a white building in islo called Supreme Court but what does it do? Please let me know.
By the way I am a native of the so called pak land but was unable to compare it until I immigrated to a country with a system.
Now I feel so sorry for the people of pak as they are being treated as herds of animals, may God have mercy on Pak and free it from the troika of Generals, feudal lords and Mullahs.

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 3:54 PM
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Mr Fani! you have no idea of modren political theories. Pakistan has a very scientific and most popular political system called corruption. And for your information, Dr Chaudhary Shujaat Hussain is Phd ( God medalist) in this subject. President Pervaiz Musharraf who is a mediocre military general can not compete with this genius of our time.

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 4:04 PM
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The PPP and P workers and poor feudals should be thankful to the writer who has tried to show the General an alternative solution to talk with Mohterma Benazir Zardari.

I think General Parvez Musharraf is not so weak that billionaire kid of a retired Hawaldar may play with him. When the matter comes to the prestige of forces as an institution, all will follow President Musharraf. Because, the real war is between the distribution of power among the institutions.

Thanks to Ch. Shujaat and company who under the supervision and guidance of army borne Mian Nawaz Shareef sahib demolished sanctity of Supreme Court. Subsequently he deputed his Jat brother Maulana Rafique Tarar, a Sikh by race to Quetta registry of Supreme Court with brief case and succeeded to get verdict where Patwaris decided to suspend the collector, the employer. This act finally ruined the dignity of courts with the connivance of Judges themselves just to maintain notorious record of Pakistani courts starting from Maulvi Mushtaq through Qayyum; who have been proved anti-justice and anti-Pakistan by their malafide, partiality, loyalty to their masters and cheap personal gains.

This was done to please the corrupt pro-establishment politicians who had married their daughters and sisters with CSP and PCS officers who have always been working to let down judiciary. Now by the grace of Let. Gen. Tanveer Naqvi, Nishan-e-Haidar, people of Pakistan have escaped from direct attack of bureaucratic greyhounds. This act has satisfied the military rulers on one side and proved a blessing in disguise for the people of pakistan on the other. This un-intential and accident step is the only good deed on military credit since it started conquering Pakistan and peoples of Pakistan right from 1958.

CH. Shujaat Sahib is not a threat at all to the President. But poverty, un-employment, kangaroo courts, corrupt bureaucracy, un-limited extension, invasion of retired greyhounds on vital institutions and departments by employing them as chairman, MDs, Directors etc., nepotism, Punjabi-ism, brothery-ism, anti-baluch, Pashtoon, Saraiki an anti-sindhi policies are the genuine threat not to President Musharraf but to solidarity of Pakistan.

Time has come that reasonable portion of resources of Pakhtoon-kha, Baluchistan, Saraikistan and Sindh should be spent on the sons of the soil rather gifting to CSPs/PCS, Punjabi Military as well as politicians. The federal government should stop bribing the political mafias of these provinces at the cost of poverty of the people and to benefit uniformed and naked officials of belonging mainly to Punjab. We should avoid creation of new Bengla-desh in Pakstan. Ch. Shujaat is no threat at all. If the Pres. Mushaarf succeeds to ensure prosperity of the un-privileged lower middle and poor class, then no body can harm him including the Punjabi core commanders as pointed out by the writer.

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 4:45 PM
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#7 Sarmad Khan

very well said but its impossible to think about the poor people by the corrupt military generals and bureaucracy

shujaat and MMA were groomed by the past military ruler and there should be no surprise about shujaats support for MMA policies

we should also keep this in mind that shujaat apparently oppose some decisions of Musharraf just to keep the opposition voice at low tone .

@ Shaheen Sehbai

who does not know what is going on after 9 pm any way

every body knows that Musharraf is heavy drinker

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 5:04 PM
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Just an addition to my last post,for those of you who wonder what's a GHQ.
GHQ is the acronym for Gan.. head quarters.

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 17, 2005 8:43 PM
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SHAHEEN SEHBAI HAS LOST HIS MIND!


After reading the title of your article, don't dare to read the article to waste my precious time. Don't you understand that Ch. Shujaat is merely an stooge, an agent, a broker and a dummy for President Musharraf. Ch.Shujaat Hussain's main qualification is that he gathered all the selfish people who deserted Nawaz Shareef and Benazir Bhutto and sold tp President Musharraf. Ch.Shujaat is merely an ALI BABA of FORTY THIEVES.

SHAFIQ KHAN
CANADA

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Fazal Curmally
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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 18, 2005 12:33 AM
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I think Shujaat wanted to play political middle of the road, softner who settled some issues like the problems of Sui and Bugtis, the Idea of expelling all foreign stidents from madressahs. And If I recall another statement. made by the President. He wanted to act as the moderate voice to what seemed was the Presidents tough tone.

Happily Shujaat's moderation was not acceptable. Perhaps he should learn to keep his mouth shut and not try to add or subtract to what the President says.Once the main man has spoken it stays spoken unless he asks others to moderate it for him.

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 18, 2005 6:35 AM
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"These diplomats say on all key issues on which Musharraf wanted to curb the jihadis, or their political supporters, Choudhry Shujaat Hussain took a diametrically opposed line. What they cannot believe is that the Choudhry always won. The major issues they cite as examples are the handling of Madrassas,
expulsion of foreign Islamic students,
inclusion of religion column in passports,
getting close to the liberal political parties like PPP, soft peddling the Hasba Bill of the MMA
and rejecting any changes in the Islamic Hudood laws as proposed by Musharraf.

The Balochistan crisis was another such issue as Musharraf had vowed to sort out the insurgents saying they would not know what hit them, but Shujaat forced the political path on Musharraf
."(SS)

there is a possibility that it exhibits more a fickle-mindedness of a flippant Alzeimered Musharraf than the political acumen of a Khandani Kuisling....

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Sarmad Khan
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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 18, 2005 8:36 AM
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POST # 8 SHERAZ AHMED

Thanks for sharing with my pain for progress, prosperity and development of Pakistan as well as Pakistani nation. But I am sorry that I donít agree with your views about drinking habit of General Parvez Musharraf, who never claimed to be Ameer-ul-Momineen.

Dear Sir, we should discuss ideological problems rather than very person of anybody. Being a flower of beloved prophet Muhammad (SAW), I believe that if he is drunk, he will surely be punished by God after his death. We are no body to discuss his bad habits especially when we donít have any proof and the habit is not affecting Pakistan.

POST # 10, SHAFIQUE KHAN.

I felt it necessary to point out that there is no difference of opinion between your comments and of the writer.

It is also important to mention that Sehbai sahib has not called us from our homes to participate in this forum. We are participating here for our satisfaction by our own will. Hence, you are at liberty whether you waste your precious time or not. We have no mandate to blame any writer of this forum. Rather we should appreciate Shaheen Sebai sahib who has saved Pakistan many times from the attack of uniformed and naked government functionaries.

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 18, 2005 8:43 AM
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POST # 13
Please read follower instead of flower

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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 18, 2005 10:28 PM
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It seems to be a game between Matarrua Mafia and Gujrati Mafia or Parvez (GP)vs Parvez (CMP). I don't think any army highup can be at the back of Shujahat. It will be too risky and somewhat derogatory to the army style of takeover. In any case Mush seems to be falling day by day in the clutches of Gujrati Mafia which might lead to his end. May God save us from such an eventuality!

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SHAFIQ KHAN
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Re: US Diplomats Think Shujaat Becoming Musharraf's Biggest Challenger Posted: Aug 19, 2005 9:31 PM
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Mr. Sarmad Khan Post # 12

Agreed.........but by the same token Mr. Sehbai has not designated YOUto be his spokesman!

My whole life, I have been hearing many lies about Pakistan, most specially two I can never forget [a] Every bonehead leader who comes to power alongwith his cronies repeatedly make this statement that,"Pakistan was never So strong as today" and he has saved Pakistan or pulled from the worse crises.............I would add your statement too as Sehbai's spokesman that Mr. Sehbai saved Pakistan. But let me tell you that Mr. Sehbai is simply a bug sitting on a bull's horn so far Pakistan's solidarity and integrity is concerned. Mr. Sehbai is simply a built-in-hatred of President Musharraf have wings and legs of all other renegade writers like Mr. Hassan, Mr. Haqqani and bunch of flip-flops who are living with in Pakistan or outside to whim Musharraf bashing. But I need to ask,," what has been saved of Pakistan by Sehbai"? Pakistan stands no where in the world race. Everything we have is because of the charities, begging bowl and aided.
A quick question, are you from the same are where Sehbai comes. Please don't ask that I if I am related to Musharraf. I wish, I could!

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