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The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 12:03 AM
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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 6:27 AM
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Mr. Shaheen Sehbai
Editor
South Asia Tribune
Sir:

Very Good essay. But, you did not mention anything about dishing out some punishment of officials - Information minister, Corps Commander Peshawar & Deputy Commissioner Muzaffarabad for example - for criminal dereliction of duty!

Ahmed Sheikh
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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 6:28 AM
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Save me from these rising hands .
Hired / rented PM Shaukat Aziz knows very well , what is ‘ Institutionalised Political System ’ but he is lending his financial expertises and international financial know-how , how to manage and use the in-coming money to keep General Musharraf in power , in Uniform through all different channels to Pakistan .

Hired / rented PM Shaukat Aziz is very well aware of his evil services to general Musharraf , good reason to be afraid of , ‘these Rising hands ’, knowing he can not hide himself anywhere in the world from Law - International Transperency and Accountability or
to be the Crown Witness .

No doubt this is an opportunity for Geneal Musharraf to structure and institutionalised the political system .

Divide the country into Political units .One unit of 2500 or 5000 voters . Let each political party who can have a certain members , Name + ID of each member with contribution of nominal membership fee , to be sure that a political party is active at this unit level have a certain support of minimum Voters , establish an office at this unit level with three or four permanent employes paid by the party office funds subsidised by the State and state controlling the funds of each political party , all funds donated by the members , donated by the business community and contributed by the State of Pakistan .

Institutionalised political system , giving right to each individual to organise a political party , providing a support of Minimum numbers of Members , showing the Name + Id of each member with the political manifest for which the Political party must be accountable .

The institutionalised Poltical system based on multi parties system will be better is a position to control the Goverenement from unit level to the top to oppose the Negative corrupt activities and to support the Positive activities . Will help growth and development of young political leaders from unit level but will also bring positive contribution in the general growth and country resources at this unit level which will bring awareness in general along with local socio-economic-prosperity .

Will General Musharraf do this or he is just trying to cheat every body , all including USA , People of Pakistan , people of Kashmeer and even his own top generals , supporting them to corrupt the Army at all levels , just as the politicians , civil governemental system and to keep on black-mailing them all .

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 10:39 AM
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Mr Sheikh

You mention punishment to corp commander and deputy commissioners. Who will punish these rulers. They are the ones who punish others, so unless there is a change or may be a revolution, who can punish these people.

The article by mr shebai basically says the politicians are immobilised and no where to be seen and cant do anything any way. even if a political govt was in power, it would have brought in the army to handle such a huge crisis. so it is the army which has to help and they have failed in a quick effective response but they will have to do whatever is needed, even in a slow process if that is what they do.

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 10:43 AM
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Marghalla...Marghalla...Marghalla -- for the elitist feudal Pakistanis only Marghalla matters...

the rest of Kashmir the small towns the villages don't -- flattened Bagh just three miles from Uri doesn't...

the crappy Generals of the Crappy Pakistani army declare with the moronic bravado -- "the Indian helicopters won't be "allowed" (big deal) to enter Pakistani territory to rescue PAKISTANI men women children of Bagh!! -- despite repeated Indian's requests....

I say there is Blood on the bloody hands of that incompetent narcissist nincompoop Musharraf -- he has utterly failed to comprehend the magnitude of the calamity that befallen his side of Kashmir -- bordering on criminal negligence....

...if he has an iota of self-respect he will resign and go to Mecca and beg God for forgiveness all his remaining life -- or he will stand a court martial for dereliction of his duty to save lives where he could.....and HE DID NOT.....

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 11:06 AM
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I think the Disaster of October 8 2005 has dug the grave for Musharraf and will finally bury the disaster of recurrent Army Dictatorship in Pakistan for all times to come -- never to raise its serpent head ever again -- no more disaster of October 12 1999....ever ever again...

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 11:33 AM
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I care two hoots if this tragedy will push Musharraf's
agenda in 2007. But let him put his money where his
mouth is, and shell out 150 billion Rs from the 224
billion Rs defence loot.

Come on general! For once in your life do something
if you are man enough. Let us see what (aside from the
bottle of whiskey) you are made of.

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 11:48 AM
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And here is the reason nasah why pakistan refuses to take India's help. Coming from JKLF of all people...

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/oct/16quake1.htm

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 12:00 PM
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Dear Editor,

I would like you to ask the government of Pakistan that are we will to spend the same amount of energy, money, use the same amount of courage and emotional capital for Kasmiris as we did for the last 50 years for the land of Kashmir.Are we willing to build massively to accomodate the orphans, houseless.

Are we willing to Register every orphan and give him a phone nimber to contact if abused. Are we willing to educate the refugees to change their future. Is OIC USA and Saudi Arabia going to give the same amount of interest as during Afgahn war to build structured and feild hospitals. We really have to ask these questions from us as all the individual relief effort and even done from institutions under emtional distress will be furhter highlighting the same problem more and more unless this planning has a big blue print and what effort is being done now is just part of the big plan.

If we succeeed we will emerege as a proud and strong nation otherwise we will loose even what we
have.

Dr Umar Murad
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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 12:19 PM
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Attention Mr. Abdul Jabbar Posting No. 04.

The inept and double-faced rulers of both these countries - who love to ape the Colonial British - are telling lies. India, which has half a million troops in Kashmir, and escaped the brunt of the killer quake, has not been able to help a hundred thousand homeless Kashmiris or even provide food or temporaray roofs for them. The Indian army, to this point in time, has not reached all the remote effected areas on its side of the Ceasefire line - and it does not even have tents and spare food - is fooling the world, and trying to be one up, by offering to help Pakistan reach remote areas. Bloody hypocrites! See BBC report. (> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/south_asia/4339522.stm <)

2. The Pakistanis despite over a hundred thousand troops in their part of Kashmir, with the advantage of short supply lines and mule-trains at their beck and call, have to this point in time, not been able to reach atleast 20% of the four million victims in remote areas of Kashmir. Every house and hamlet in Azad Kashmir is marked on their maps and for security reasons visited by foot patrols every couple of days. There is no reason why every one was not contacted or helped during the last eight days unless ofcourse the soldiers were saving their own skins.

3.Inefficency, particulary in the Army, descends down NEVER ascends up. That is why I suggested in my posting No. 02 that guilty commanders should be Court Martialed. Couragious journalists, like the Editor of South Asia Tribune for example, should take the lead and demand Court Martials of the guilty officers and persist on it. Maybe other Pakistani journalists will follow suit.

Ahmed Sheikh
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PS: How come the new Pakistani commanders from the Gujranwala Corps, who have taken over in the past 48 hours, have restored discipline and law & order in Azad Kashmir and Hazara division, within hours of their arrival to the wonder of foreign observors? Let us hope some couragious Indian journalists will demand the same for their inept army commanders as it might save some Kashmiri lives in Indian occupied Kashmir. The Indian Army has killed enough Kashmiris must the unfortunate Kashmiris also be starved?

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 1:17 PM
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so this is the reason why Indian offer to save hundreds od Kashmiri lives was REFUSED???? -- amazing cruelty -- for this Musharraf will burn in hell....

"'Pak feared exposure of militant camps'

October 16, 2005 18:37 IST

Accusing Pakistan of adopting an "indifferent attitude towards the people of quake-ravaged Pakistan-occupied Kashmir", Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front has said Islamabad "turned down international help in the rubble-strewn areas because of fear of "exposure" of militant camps there.

"One wonders why the Indian offer of help was refused, which could have saved hundeds of lives and could also have boosted the confidence between both governments. The answer to this is simple if we take militant camps into account," senior JKLF leader Shabir Chaudhury said in a statement from London."

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 1:28 PM
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I think Kashmiri Bagh is about to maul and disable mr. Mushrraf for life...

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 2:27 PM
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Mr. Ahmed Sheikh Post 10

You are right Sheikh Sahib this Indian offer of cross border help to Pakistan is a farce. Total fraud. The information in Post 11 is disinformation. The writer does not know what he is talking about. The Indian Army is not capable of it even if it wanted to help. It is helping its own injured first. The Indians are just playing games. There are dozens of villages in Poonch, in Indian-held Kashmir, opposite Rawalakot in Pakistani Kashmir, which were damaged by the earth quake eight days ago. Not one Indian Army rescue/medical team or individual has reached there and many have died. See report in the newspaper Tribune Chandigarh. (> http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20051013/j&k.htm#3 <) It is the same story near Uri in the Valley. About 170 Sikh families have lost their homes and several Gurdwaras (Sikh places of worship), including the historic Parampila Gurdwara, were destroyed by the earthquake, the UNITED SIKHS GHANAIA relief team discovered on their two day journey to the earthquake hit areas of Indian-administered Kashmir. Sikh families, whose forefathers have been living for centuries in the frontier mountainous villages of Uri, Legaima, Slamabad, Kupawara, Simbulpora and Tribuni, were visited by the six-member UNITED SIKHS relief team over the last two days. They report that, "Yesterday we saw that the historic Gurdwara of the Ccheveen` Patshah (sixth Sikh Guru, Guru Hargobind Sahib), at Parampila, had been reduced to rubble. Bhai Esher Singh, UNITED SIKHS Team leader reported. that the team also saw that the domes of the Baramulla Cchevee Patshah historic Gurdwara have cracked. The Gurdwaras at Tribuni, Slamabad and Uri have all been destroyed. We removed Guru Granth Sahib Ji (Sikh scriptures) from the rubble of the Gurdwaras and brought the saroops to the Baramulla gurdawara." Bhai Esher Singh's was the first help they saw. See photographs by clicking at: > http://www.unitedsikhs.org/asianearthquake/gallery/ <


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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 2:35 PM
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POST # 2

I don't see any 'good' or 'extraordinary' analysis on the scene through this article of Mr. Sehbai.

Mr. Sehbai is pulling too hard for last six years to find dents and holes in President Musharraf and the military dictatorship and he did manufactured millions but Mr. Sehbai’s every missile is harmless to Musharraf as he is wearing bullet proof military uniform made in America.

I don't understand why people don't realize a very simple [grade-4 math] that since October 1958 [when Ayub Khan threw out Sikandar Mirza] till today [47 years] military has been ruling the country from the front and behind the curtain. All those democratically elected leaders Benazir, ZAB, Nawaz Shareef and likewise were puppets and stooges in the hands of military.
It is tripartite chain:
.........military behind the democratically elected leaders and
.........behind military dictatorship, the mighty white elephant, the united States!

This is Pakistan's total politics.......so where is the complication?
Whenever, this link breaks down, a change is eminent.
The same thing will happen to Musharraf.
Mark my words, Musharraf is not going anywhere for another seven years. In the year 2007, Musharraf will get elected himself as president for another five years with President Ishaque Khan powers and than shed the uniform selecting c-in-c of his own choice……so.............who has seen another seven years..........we will talk after seven years are over....... Mr. Sehbai, your fate is self-exile for life in the United States of America.

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Re: The Politics of the Killer Quake: Who Gained, Who Lost Posted: Oct 16, 2005 2:50 PM
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Mr. Ahmed Sheikh Post No. 10

In my Post No. 13 I forgot to give a link for the releif camps Pakistani Sikhs have set up at Muzzaffarabad and Badgran, in Azad Kashmir to assist our Kashmiri brothers in distress. > http://www.sikhsangat.org/publish/article_493.shtml <



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