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After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 15, 2005 11:43 AM
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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 15, 2005 1:17 PM
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GOOD ARTICLE WHICH REFLECTS DEMOCRATIC TRADITION, WHICH IS APPRECIABLE.

I think we should look into future, while learning lesson from the past. I salute to Man Mohan jee who has apologized. But there are several man Mohan and their "Sapoliey: sons of snakes" who are required to beg apology from peoples of Bengla Desh and Pakistan excluding central Punjab.

This is the time Sikhs should beg apology for the crime their forefathers committed by looting and attacking the migrating Muslims. Those innocent Muslims have though got their revenge by occupying resources of Sindhis, Baluchis, Saraikis and Pashtoons, yet the Indian Sikhs should beg pardon for crimes of their ancestors to show gesture of enlightment response to Man Mohan jee. They should be silent and work more for the betterment of their community. Although they are not alone, the Pakistani Sikhs (Gujranwala`s chaudhdry and Co.) are whole heartedly with them on the basis of Blood first, Pakistan second. But Indian Sikhs should behave unlike Sikhs by remaining cool and calm. They will soon get reward in shape of rapid progress of their country.

However, if anti-state uniformed and naked class (bureaucracy CSP/PCS, judiciary) beg pardon for looting, plundering and demolishing the country and join hand in hand with the nation on equality basis, there are chances that Pakistan may proceed on right track.

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 15, 2005 3:30 PM
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it is interesting -- it took 2 decades for the Congress to apologize for the massacre of Delhi Sikhs by Delhi Hindus in 1984...

yet nobody has apologized for the massacre of Delhi Muslims in Karol Bagh where we used to live -- by the Delhi Sikhs and the Delhi Hindus......6 decades ago....

....but then again No Muslim League apologized for the massacres in Lahore of the Lahori Sikhs and Lahori Hindus by the Lahori Muslims......either

that's our subcontinent -- where routine masscres of innocents are part of subcontinental value system -- wish those 'apologies' or 'no apologies' could bring back to life those so many inncocent souls that were slaughtered to pay for the sins of so few 'others' .....

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 15, 2005 8:15 PM
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ATTENTION Mr. Arun Rajnath

An excellent article on the plight of the Sikh minority in India. Is this essay in response to my posting No. 83 on another SAT forum (> http://www.satribune.com/thread.jsp?forum=3&thread=2586&tstart=0&trange=100 <) discussing your harrassment by Indian officials, where I requested you to looksee into the Nanavati report on the November 1984 mass murder of the Sikhs in urban India? Any way it is a good and honest article.

2. Mr. Arun Rajnath did you notice that in the second sentence of his August 11 so-called 'apology' speech, delivered in the Indian parliament, India's Rent-A-Sikh Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, (an appointee of mass murderer Rajiv Gandhi's Italian widow, Sonia Gandhi, an uneducated former bar maid) said, that, "Four thousand people were killed in this great national tragedy that took place in 1984'? (> http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76146&spf=true <) Official Indian records have always claimed that 2, 733 were killed in the nation-wide 'riots' in November 1984. Which of the two official figures of the dead is correct? These dim-witted Indian rulers - mental midgets all - don't even know how to fudge the numbers!

3. According to the Sikhs, who lost kith and kin, nearly 10, 000 innocent Sikh men, women and children were mercilessly put to death, all over urban India, by Police-led Hindu mobs in the November 1984 anti/Sikh pogroms or killing sprees launched after a 'wink and a nod' from newly appointed Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi. In the latest issue of India's top weekly News magazine OUTLOOK, that country's leading and most prolific newspaper columnist, Khushwant Singh, an old flunkey of the Nehru dynasty (also known in Sikh circles as 'Khushamad' Singh) wrote in his column, appropriately headlined, 'Victory To The Mob. The Nanavati report is utter garbage,' that, "About 21 years ago, northern India down to Karnataka witnessed a bloodbath the likes of which the country had not experienced since Independence nor after. In Delhi, over 3,000 Sikhs were murdered, their wives and daughters gangraped, their properties looted, 72 gurudwaras burnt down. The all-India total of casualties was close to 10,000, the loss of property over thousands of crores." (> http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050822&fname=Column+Khush+%28F%29&sid=1 <) Here we again have a figure of ten thousand Sikh men, women and children murdered in November 1984 from a loyalist Sikh - a Nehru family sychophant. The matter has not ended, as the Sikhs are well known for thir long memory just as they are known for their firiendship!

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 3:22 AM
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#4

Yes, if the sikhs as you claim have long memories - I suggest that you better prepare yourself - Pakistanis massacred sikhs in 100 of thousands.

but then pakistanis also committed a genocide in bangladesh in millions - the erstwhile absolutely currupt pakistani establishment led by its even more corrupt khakis. I expect the corollary of your argument could mean that muslims have short memories when it comes to their genocidal crimes.

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 3:45 AM
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The appology by Rent-A-Sikh PM (as Sheikh Sahib says) can in no way be sufficient for the Sikhs. Their basic demand is independent state, and sooner or later, they are going to get it. They will then decide whether to accept apology by neighbouring Dehli, or take their revenge in their own way.

Unfortunately, narrow minded hindus have never been able to understand the need of time and act accordingly. Pakistan was formed after so much bloodshed, and it seems Khalistan and other independent states will be created in the same way. Pakistana and India have been unable to forget those bitter memories even after 58 years. How long will it take by Khalistan and other states to forget atrocities and genocides comitted by India? It has been already too late for Khalistan, Kashmir, Assam and other Moist states, and it is very unlikely that Dehli will have good relations with these states after their independence in near future. However, in my view, rest of the states in India where there are no independence movement so far, should be set free without any waste of time. This will ensure better relationship among them and Dehli, and might result in a kind of loose union among all states on EU model.

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 5:14 AM
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Indian,
Yes, Sikhs were killed in Rawalpindi and Lahore. But from where you get this "hundreds of thousands" figure? Those murders are of course a black spot on the citizenry of these two cities.
But please this should not be exeggerated
to such an extent. Just typing down three words "hundreds of thouands" when actually one word "thousands" could have done as well , is a serious matter. Are not you promoting unnecessary hate for no useful reasons?

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 9:52 AM
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Indian,

Yes, Sikhs were killed in Rawalpindi and Lahore. But from where you get this "hundreds of thousands" figure? Those murders are of course a black spot on the citizenry of these two cities.

But please this should not be exeggerated to such an extent. Just typing down three words "hundreds of thouands" when actually one word "thousands" could have done as well , is a serious matter. Are not you promoting unnecessary hate for no useful reasons?

Fatin Khan,

It is not Hundreds of Thousands - it is Millions of Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, and the ethnic minorities of Bangladesh that have been Exterminated.

An Apology from the Islamic World or Pakistan & Bangladesh? - as this Genocide is going on since 1947 when the Hindu Population was about 25% and now it must be less than 12% - I must be joking.

Ethnic Cleansing & Rise of Islamic Militancy in Bangladesh

Bertil Lintner


http://www.satribune.com/archives/feb17_23_03/opinion_bertil.htm

IMAGINE how it would be like when 25 million people vanish from a projected population of 39 million. Imagine how it would be like when two and a half million acres of prime land is grabbed from a country smaller in size than the State of Wisconsin.

Imagine how it would be like when one is subjected to rape, unending torture, forced conversion, discrimination in education and employment, intimidation to practice one's own religious faith, loot, arson and other savageries of worst kind.

This is the story of the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, and the ethnic minorities of Bangladesh -- a story of slow genocide, a story of violence and betrayal by their own government, a testament of hard-line Islamic politicking designed to minority cleansing, a continuing saga that has played out since 1947 to the present day Bangladesh.


Please click on the link to read the full Article in the S. A. Tribune - A Pakistani (Resident of the United States of America) Owned Net News Paper specializing in Investigative Reporting - A News Paper you can Trust

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 11:11 AM
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Reference Post No. 4 by Ahmed Sheikh Sahib

Dr. Manmohan Singh, a rent-a-Sikh Prime minister as you correctly call him, in his August 11 'apology' speech in the Indian parliament assured the members about the rehabilitation of thousands of innocent Sikh victims (widows, children and other relatives) of the 1984 state-supervised mass murders, with the following words:- "Questions have been raised about the rehabilitation of the affected families. I recognise that there may have been shortcomings. I have committed our Government to do all that we can to ensure that these widows, children and other relatives who did suffer in the wake of the 1984 riots, whether in Delhi or outside — we have a solemn obligation to help them to forget that sad chapter — lead, once again, a life of dignity and self-respect." >> http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76146&spf=true <<

If the Prime minister of India, Dr. Manmohan Singh, does not know the correct number of Indian citizens murdered in the police-supervised act of state terrorism in November 1984 (10, 000 or 4, 000 or 2, 733) how can the Government of India ensure that the innocent Sikh victims: "lead once again, a life of dignity and self-respect" as he has promised in his parliament speech? Obviously the man is a liar. Manmohan Singh lives five miles from where thousands of Sikh widows and their children, victims of the November 1984 pogrom, have lived in squalor and misery for the past twenty one years. How many homes of these victims has Dr. Manmohan Singh visited to show his sympathy and concern for a fellow Sikh in the nearly five hundred days since Mrs. Sonia Gandhi appointed him Prime minister of India? Not a one!

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 11:36 AM
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#9

At least he has not rented out his body and soul to his masters in the ISI - like you have done. And you talk of independence. You would not know what it is even if it hit you in your face, you sold your soul.

You talk how many citizens died - you live in Washington DC as per your posting! so how many died in the attck on the Pentagon carried out by coward jihadists form where you draw your support. Do you know?

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 12:02 PM
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Millions of hindus? In Rawalpindi and Lahore during partition? I think these two cities with known incidents of
sikh massacre during partition are not in Bangladesh, an "evidence" from where you have dug out.

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 16, 2005 9:13 PM
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> At least he has not rented out his body and soul to
> his masters in the ISI -

He has rented his soul to his masters in RAW. Sikh bodyguard of Indra who took revenge of masacre of his nation was thousands of millions time better than him.

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 17, 2005 3:10 AM
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It is amazing to see khalistanis and pakistanis coming to each others aid - partners in crime/terror. Wonder how you will react if the khalistanis wanted a piece of pakistan as well!

One very notable exception is that ISI is a state within a state. That is why it is above the law. If at all it is accountable - it is accountable to an unelected bunch of nuclear-trigger happy generals, who by all accounts do not give a damn about Pakistani citizens.

So your post can be dismissed as mere rhetoric.

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 17, 2005 5:39 PM
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"He (Manmohan Singh) has rented his soul to his masters in RAW. Sikh bodyguard of Indra who took revenge of masacre of his nation was thousands of millions time better than him (Dr. Manmohan Singh)."(Dilber)

U defintely have a most original point there -- all non militant non-killer Indian Sikhs are "thousands of millions times" WORSE than the Killer Beyant Singh -- because they all have "rented their souls to their master RAW"...

I agree with you -- in fact Beyant Singh should have been the Sikh Prime Minister of India.....sorry shuheed Beyant did not live to see the day....

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Re: After Apology, Congress Tries to Scuttle Sikh Massacre Report Posted: Aug 18, 2005 3:37 AM
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Partition, 1984 Riots, Babri Masjid, Gujarat are all hide-&-seek games played by the Congress Party giving bad names to Hindus and earning kudos for itself as secularists.

The Partition is attributed to the incompatibility of Msulims and Hindus. In fact, it was incompatibility of Congress & Jinnah. 1984 Riots-less said the better. Babri Masjid was the creation of none other Rajiv Gandhi.

My request to Muslims and Sikhs is that whenever you talk about these incidences blame the Congress Party and not Hindus/ India.

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