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Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 3, 2005 11:21 AM
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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 3, 2005 11:45 AM
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Unbelievable.

The Kashmiri Terrorist now publicly accept the fact that there are Terrorists of Foreign Origin Terrorizing the Kashmir People - something that has been maintained by the Government of India nd vehemently denied by the Terrorists.

Does Mr. Syed Salahuddin imply that the so called “indigenous i.e. Pakistani” Terrorists can keep on killing innocent Kashmiris?

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 3, 2005 4:03 PM
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Mr. Editor,

On top of the picture of this murderer there is a caption that read, as seen heard by SAT reporter in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, and this is written by Arun Rajnath, he is in POK with Hurriyat with other media people?

What a useless edict by a useless person. There days are numbered and will decimate rather quickly now. Now we are seeing a prelude to political in-fighting between the terrorists, their political face the Hurryat, Pakistani army and ISI.

Lets see who comes out the winner. Half of this interview is nothing but allegations based on hatered to fuel young heroin addicted youth of Pakistan to die at hands of Indian forces in Kashmir.

What really intrigues one is his warning, so what if terrorists continue to terrorize Kashmiris, what can this man do, bring harm to their loved ones, or ask Indian govt to extradite his "boys" [as he refers to his terrorists]? What a joker.

Gill
PS: Dr. Raza could this personality be representing your rights that you speak of???

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 3, 2005 5:10 PM
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there are not such words which can be writen now for this KASHMIR DISPUTE.
"Its human nature to think wisely and act foolishly" some people are comenting for only REPLY n some for SUGGESTIONS.
but some have died before our discussion n some will more die after our discussion in this KASHMIR DISPUTE but this DISCUSSION will never end. result will be the same which is after the DOGS fight.ONE WILL WIN N OTHER WILL LOOSE. but in "OUR FIGHT THERE WILL BE NO ONE EVEN TO ENJOY VICTORY OR TO CRY"

THE END

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 3, 2005 6:22 PM
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Mr. Rajnath

Looks like this time you indeed cleared the article with Mr. Gill as he hasn't asked for the names of sources and his post is uncharacteristically devoid of any threats to sue and jail you and the Editor. Don't tell me you actually took this know-it-all hawaldar seriously. :)

Though it would have made the good article even better had you added the views of Indian military rapists and their mercenaries Ikhawan too.

Mr. Gill: Post 2

- there is a caption that read, as seen heard by SAT reporter in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir

Ops... look like if you actually enjoy sticking your foot in mouth. Read the caption again, it says "What SAT Correspondent saw and heard in Srinagar". Hmmm... looks like Mr. Rajnath didn't clear the article from you in its entirety, because he is referring to Srinagar, which last we checked was still in Indian Occupied Kashmir, unless the Hindutva bigot Advani has handed it to the Pakistanis. :)

- Half of this interview is nothing but allegations based on hatered to fuel young heroin addicted youth of Pakistan to die at hands of Indian forces in Kashmir.

I agree with you. It would have been nice to see the allegations based on hatred to fuel suicidal young heroin addicted murderers and rapists of Indian military to die at hands of Kashmiri separatists.

- so what if terrorists continue to terrorize Kashmiris

That would really sit well with your Hindutva strategy, right?

- bring harm to their loved ones

But you have already claimed a patent on it, didn't you? Let me know if you have forgotten your fiery sermons to murder women and children in Pakistan and US. I'll be happy quote your words.

PS: Has your sarcastic veteran sidekick given up on the current ID or is he enjoying the new avtars too much? Send a messenger message and ask him to come to your help, pronto. :)

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 4, 2005 12:04 AM
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Something personal and just out of curiosity. My curiosity came out again after seeing S. Salahudin's picture after long time. Is fine art of Jihad also at odds with fine art of barbery?

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 4, 2005 12:51 AM
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Fatin,

That was funny !!!!!!!!!! :D

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 4, 2005 2:24 AM
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Rajnath is at it again , trying to rake up sensational issues. He quotes Syed's unsubstantiated claims of Indian atrocites much similar to our own AC's babbles ( everyone knows talking of sisters getting raped pushes up the readers blood pressures and blurs commonsense )

So what is Syed trying to say , that all the terrorism that happens in the valley is because of "foreign" terrorists ? So the mujahideens are all saints organizations , they only burn down music stores, throw acid on women who refuse to become "Black moving objects" ( I mean clad in head-to-toe burqa's ), or threaten bus travellers that the bus would be their coffin.
Also does someone remember teenager Mariam Begum, the grand tratement meted out for 25 days until the Indian army rescued her , because her brother had rejected the gun for a peaceful life.
Ah I keep forgetting.. only the foreign terrorists are barred from terrorizing kashmiris , Syeds "boys" can do whatever they want!!

PS:
Fatin didnt you know barbery is haram.

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 4, 2005 2:33 AM
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Hi..
How come this "balanced" reporter details "barbarity" of indian forces..(looks like he went thru the indoenisian sites full of pics of girls being actually raped and with breatsts pierced and being stabbed..which were current during the indonesian chinese riots!!"
However..the "kowmi" bias cannot be hidden despite the "hindu" name!
He is conviniently NOT mentioning how many pandit girls lost their heads and chastity at the hands of the hirsuit apes from across the border...The banners exhorting hindus to leave the valley leaving their women behind..
It appears Islam mein yeh sab jaij hai..as long as the victims are NOT muslims!! Afterall did not the delhi sulatans go after chittod just for Padmini?
Things that are in the blood and civilisation cant go away just like that..What happened in Bangladesh is just a case in point.
One is truly amazed by this "one-track" and often transparent sensitivity on muslim sites..including this one!
Jayen

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 4, 2005 5:04 AM
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(Unless a journalist hypes up a situation, how can he/she survive.)

But, I think, this situation has actually come about because of Orders from the Gen.Mush...

Fact of the matter is no Kashmiri likes aliens to dictate what to do & what not to do.

Afghani Talibans had come here after fall of the Soviets.
They have been like a frankenstien monster for Pakistan.
But I wonder, why does India have to keep paying price for Pakistan's follies?

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 4, 2005 5:29 AM
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As an addition:

NY Times correspondent in Afghanistan writes about revival of Talibans there:-

..............On May 3, joined by 10 local policemen and an interpreter, the scouts turned up at a kind of Taliban convention - of some 60 to 80 fighters - and were greeted by rockets and gunfire. The sergeant called for reinforcements and was told to keep the Taliban engaged until they arrived. "I've only got six men," he remembers saying.
................
An Afghan informer, who did not want his name used for fear of retribution, has told American forces that the Taliban ranks have been rapidly replenished by recruits who slipped in from Pakistan. For every one of the Taliban killed on May 3, judging by his account, another has arrived to take his place.
................


For full story please read:-
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/04/international/asia/04taliban.html?hp&ex=1117944000&en=753ae3b9df70b139&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 4, 2005 4:48 PM
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"Is fine art of Jihad also at odds with fine art of barbery?"(Fatin)

may be -- just to give a 'barberian' look......

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 5, 2005 12:09 AM
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Well is the most interesting article and interview on BBC. Well I will like the Pakistani friends to answer, who claim in Kashmir it is not terrorism or supported by Pakistan:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4609715.stm

"My first trip for arms and training was in June 1988," separatist leader Yasin Malik told the BBC News website.

Mr Malik's remarks are the first public admission by a Kashmiri separatist leader that arms and training were supplied from Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

We would carry weapons... into Indian-administered Kashmir

The Pakistani government has consistently denied providing material or military assistance to militants fighting to end Indian rule in the portion of Kashmir controlled by India.

He is widely believed to have started the militant movement in Indian-administered Kashmir

These are the comments by Mr. Malik. All the forum readers from Pakistan who have claiming that it is an internal struggle, what do u have to have to say. Your FM does not want to comment.

This proves togather with NYtimes story that Pakistan under Mushraff today even is the epic center of terrorism. US needs to take over Pakistan and clean it out.

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 5, 2005 6:05 AM
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Nasah,
This "barbarian" look idea reminds me of an interesting observation many years back. I once had an encounter with a mujahid in Pak, whom I knew before the advent of Jihad. He gave me a shock with his long hair, locks hanging down to his chest and similar wild beard. I asked him what happened to him? His reply was that he is now a Mujahid. Then I asked that he could be one without threatning the job of local barbers, because if this trend of unkempt hair catches up with already prevailing trend for Jihad, then a whole job-sector is in danger.

This brings me to last post of PunjabiSher. Was it a secret my friend, which you now have so painstakingly dug out? Governements do this kind of things all over the world ( I mean keeping open a window for deniability of what they are doing). All nuclear programs are for "peaceful" purpose, the support for rebels in enemy coountry is always only moral/political, United States stands for universal human rights in the places where governements are not agreement with them and in Guantanamo. Worst dictatorships are called "peoples democratic republic" and US exports democracy to far flung areas of the world.
I think nobody except Pak gov. in past denied the "actual" involvement in Indian Kashmir. Sometimes this reached a very funny level. Take the example of Kargil, about which Pak gov. held for months that these are the "mujahideen", who have crossed into other side of border. And that Pakistan has no control over them. But just after three months, same mujahideen were awarded highiest military awards for bravery etc., announced with full ranks, without giving a second thought about Pakistan's stated position.
As for "terrorism", this label just depends upon which side of the you are. Your terrorists may well be revered heros of others and vice versa. I am not suggesting subcribing to either of view.

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Re: Foreign Militants Being Isolated by Indigenous Kashmiri Fighters Posted: Jun 5, 2005 6:54 AM
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Fatin, This 'denial' is unfortunately true all the time. during first invasion of Kashmir in 1947/48 it was said that it was tribal lashkar not military of Pakistan and at the end they also agreed that military was involved as well. In 1965 was it was said that Pakistan was attacked and hillariuosly all the year long 6th September was celeberated as a 'defence day' with military fervour that military successfully defended the borders (Now it is acknowledged that 1965 war was due to Operation Jibralter' and Kargil was lost to India). 1971 army still denies of highhandedness in East Pakistan. During Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the then USSR, accused Pakistan of interfering and Zia denied any involvement. After fall of the USSR, the miltiary was jubiliant. The hilarious note of that war was TV/Radio news in Paksitan reporting 'mujahideen' marched x numeber miles towards Kabul and Wali Khan surprisingly said 'had it been true, mujahideen would have reached where you are now Fatin (yes Germany)'. In Chechnya, there is no inovlovement of Pakistan military and you find the Chechen militants hibernating in Wazirstan. One fails to understand why military government has to deny the obvious truth.

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